#this happens after mgs4

[linashirou]

I'm so happy to announce that the chapter "Dating" has this beautiful, amazing head illustration! I really love how handsome Hal looks and also Snake and Sunny 💖! She's so pretty! Do you want to know what is happening? Read the fic!

As always, this was made by the talented @VenomWalter_Art!! Please consider him if you want a beautiful commission!

[lokh]

and listen. old men yaoi aside. wouldnt de-ageing snake like. defeat the point

[flowergirlmiwa]

Fucking insane to me it's canon Solid Snake has seen Star Wars

[astoramaycry]

I just finished reading the MGS4 novel. I have so many thoughts. Of course, like any videogame based novel, what's being told is pretty much what happens in the game. What I liked though is that the entire story is being told by Otacon.

I have... thoughts about Raiden. I want to preface this by saying that Metal Gear Rising was the first Metal Gear game I ever truly played (I played 3 on the PS2 with my brother but we were idiots and skipped the cutscenes it doesn't count), back in 2015. I know it's not a "true metal gear" or part of the saga, but I really liked it and thought it was neat, and I was really interested in Raiden's character back then.

But after finishing MGS2, seeing how Raiden's character was treated, his comeback in MGS4 and the epilogue for that game, I have mixed feelings about Rising.

In MGS2 you learn about Raiden's past, how he was a child soldier, how Solidus killed his family, and how everything that happens in the game is just Raiden being forced to play a role he didn't choose. This gets interrupted by Solid Snake showing up in a "simulation" he was not supposed to be in.

The thing Raiden learns from Snake (and this gets repeated multiple times in the MGS4 novel) is that Snake wants Raiden to live his own life the way he wants to live it, get away from war, get away from the path of "becoming one of the Snakes". The whole "you're not your past and you're not your genes" speech.

Then MGS2 ends with Raiden seeing Rose and seeing hope in the child he was supposed to have with her. As much as I like the VR theory, and I do think that a big part of MGS2 wasn't "real", that's not the established canon after MGS4 came out.

And as everyone knows at this point, MGS4 was the product of people demanding a new MGS game and sending death threats to Kojima. So now, Raiden is told that Rose has a miscarriage, and she's... married to the colonel?

Of course, Raiden's life so far has been tied completely to Snake. Being the adoptive child of Solidus, being trained to be a "Snake", so as soon as this hope he had gets taken from him, the only thing he can hold onto is doing what he's been doing his whole life. Fighting.

Up until this point, I can get it, somewhat. But you can't help but feel like Raiden is a shell of what he was in MGS2, although people look at him with the "oh wow he's so cool, he killed 4 geckos just by breakdancing!! and he's a ninja now!!". But anyway, MGS4 ends, and Raiden seems to finally get the closure he deserved. He has a family, all of the Snakes are dead, the Patriots are gone. None of the things tying him down to his past exist anymore. Like Snake said in the "lightning" scene, he could start over.

Raiden ends MGS4 saying that he's done trying to find himself.

Then Rising appears and it's like "that's cool and all but actually, Raiden can never ever stop being a killer, and this entire storyline of finding himself and what he's fighting for is gonna get repeated aaaall over again, but you're a cooler ninja now. Also, Jack is back doktor turn off my pain inhibitors augjjjjjhhhhh".

Can this guy pls get a break and some hot chocolate, at least he got a cool dog out of it I guess

Anyway, just random thoughts. Rising was my only point of reference for Raiden when I started MGS2 so it was a weird experience.

[solidusmoon]

⋆.˚✮ Sleepy Jellyfish

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whooo yumeshipping time!!! (⁠.⁠ ⁠❛⁠ ⁠ᴗ⁠ ⁠❛⁠.⁠)｡⁠*ﾟ⁠+♡

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sleepy jellyfish is there to fill in the blanks between post mgs2 and before mgs4 happens, filling a support role towards raiden just like how otacon has a support role towards snake. after getting rescued by raiden, jellyfish feels obligated to repay raiden and starts studying cybernetics to help him recover during and after fights.

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before being rescued jellyfish was stuck as one of the first beauty and beasts experiments rocking the alias ravenous jellyfish. blinded by a giant helmet with tendrils forced onto her head as she desperately searched for food attacking anything that moved.

[icycoldninja]

How would you describe Raiden's personality? I make c.ai bots that mainly focus on ff7 (Sephiroth specifically) but I keep seeing this stupid idiot and I get cuteness aggression like crazy because idk anything about mgr/mgs all I know is him and gay things happen and I really wanna make bots on him...😓

How would I describe Raiden? Fucking badass.

No, no, I'm just kidding, there's more to it than that. Though my knowledge of anything before MGR is limited, (so I'm not the most reliable resource but thanks for coming to me :]) I'd say Raiden comes off as a bit of a goofy, rookie character despite having been a soldier his entire life. Just look at how much he tries to imitate Snake. Plus, he seems to be a King Kong nerd. I like to think he's a lot like Resident Evil 2 Leon Kennedy—and the fact that his voice makes him sound more like Reno than Reno sounds like himself doesn't help things much.

After this, though, around MGS4 and MGR, he seems a lot edgier and more brooding. He sounds more gravelly even though it's the same voice actor. He also looks like he's seen some shit (he has) and has generally taken on the behavior of one who is exhausted with life but still lives on for some reason. Kind of like Leon Kennedy himself in later games hmmm

And it is this edgy, broodiness that makes him so fucking badass. He does crazy shit and looks good doing it. Can you imagine a younger, more naive version of himself doing the same things he did—like running down buildings with "high heels" on because falling just isn't fast enough?

I understand that I've probably gone overboard with this response—turned a 150 word essay into a 200+ one, so I'll sum it all up:

Raiden in MGS2 is naive, fresh-faced, and eager to do stuff and become more like his idol.

Raiden in MGR has been hurt and seems more introspective and dark. He still tries to imitate his idol, though, and subverting expectations in ways no one else can imagine doing.

[ocielot]

My controversial ocelot hc is that as SOON as the first documents about The Philosophers and Cobra Unit start leaking or getting declassified Ocelot immediately becomes a pop-social-science *darling*

Plenty of docu-miniseries dramatizations and speculating about the psychology of this poor poor baby illuminati soldier.

Like covered in the same chapter of PSYC101 as Genie and The Stanford Prison Experiment

I believe this outcome would successfully piss off every single metal gear solid character. Nobody wants this.

oh my god, not controversial to me, i love this so much. i mean, i want to study him in a lab rn and he is a fictional character, i can’t imagine how fascinated people would be with him if he actually existed. and of course most coverage of him would be mostly sympathetic.

i think a lot of people see otacon as going into academia post mgs4 so can u imagine him chatting with a colleague from the psych department and she keeps talking about the tselinoyarsk subject or smth (i imagine they don’t use his actual name or codename) and how fascinating and tragic he is and otacon is nodding along until he has the horrible realization that she’s talking about *revolver fucking ocelot* and he loses his shit bc after everything ocelot put him and his husband through, people are now talking about ocie like a poor little meow meow.

only tangentially related but i also think girlies would fujo out so hard about ocelot as soon as stuff starts getting declassified. like even the psych classes are going to have to bring up his weird obsession with big boss and torture fetish, so i imagine some college freshman posts about this crazy toxic yaoi she learned about in her textbook and it spreads from there and bosselot becomes an rpf sensation. ofc there’s nuclear levels of discourse about the ethics of this rpf, well beyond just the normal amount that rpf gets, considering ocelot’s whole Thing. it will definitely get you a callout post but many decide it is compelling enough to be worth it.

sunny’s talking with her friends one day and otacon overhears one of them mention “the russian yaoi” and he’s like “oh are kids these days still into yuri on ice? is the movie ever happening?” and he nearly has a heart attack when they explain.

[thetruescholar]

My experiments involve studying Irminsul, as the Fatui has insisted I focus on improving my enhanced prosthetic limbs. But infusing prosthetic limbs with souls from Irminsul is a tricky process for someone like myself. How useful it is that Sheznevna has the abilities of the goddess of wisdom Nahida, and how useful it is she’s not as wise as Nahida. I can study Irminsul further with her abilities.

A pity I can’t vivisect her, no that man she calls father will get in my way. Ah if only my higher ups would let me get rid of that old puppet boy so I can get rid of that man.

If you wish to help, perhaps you can aid in my theorizing.

The small child curiously looked at the tall doctor with her curious eyes.

Miss doctor do you see mister dmitry as your son?

And does he view you as a mother?

The small child was so tiny compared to the doctor, she looked like she was only 100 cm in height.

1. Do I see Dimitry as my son? No.

2. No he does not view me as his mother:)

[yandereunsolved]

Poor darling probably thinks they’re safe after the events of guns of the patriots only for mgr:revengeance to happen 😭 I’d be pissed as hell

"Ah, here we go again."

Darling forced to deal with evil polycule. Then they get kidnapped with Kaz. They have stability for a little while. Then they get Ocelot again. Liquid Ocelot (who injected darling with a vial to keep them alive for, well they hoped, forever)! An entire climax in MGS4.

A break after that. They hoped.

They have already done so much. Their mental and emotional abilities are destroyed. They now have to potentially live forever unless they get killed. They have no one and nothing and need to hide because they are seen a connector to all these events.

4 years and they finally settled. Things were almost okay some days.

theme music.

Fuck!

You end up getting abducted to Desperado Enforcement, LLC. They heard about you. Someone else wants you. So they are acting as the middle man.

Only the deal falls through because they want to keep you. You end up with a bunch of yandere cyborg mercenaries.

And uh, a Raiden as well.

[knackeredforever]

Mgs4 is easily the most frustrating metal gear game because it is so close to being amazing because it has some of the best stealth mechanics in the entire series and battlefield stealth is genuinely such a cool mechanic and so fucking fun.

The problem is that once the player gets access to drebins shop it completely kills the balance of the game because you basically now have infinite weapons and ammo making stealth less necessary. But at least you could just ignore the shop the bigger problem is the battlefield stealth parts of the game, you know the main concept of the game only happens in the first 2 of the 5 acts of the game after that the next 3 acts are completely different and significantly less fun and it completely kills the unique fun stealth. Battlefield sandbox the game had been up to that point.

The final boss is still amazing though and one of the best ever in my opinion.

[tha-frank]

Still sending you asks because I have free will.

Raisune but Raiden is constantly getting mad dick from Snake during missions. Like Solid has to cover his little whore mouth or they'll be discovered by the guard. He doesn't even give Raiden a second to clean up after he pulls put. Solid and Liquid definitely are into breeding to a certain extent. (Like father like son.) Solid's is less pronounced than Liquid's but Raiden's sweet cyborg pussy makes him think twice.

Raiden WILL get pregnant at Solid's hands and dick.

It's only a matter of time.

And cum.

― Bosscest anon

(Bosscest anon is in my Discord server now :) )

ANYHOW, for any Snake to be into breeding is weird since they're infertile lmao, but mayhaps they are into it BECAUSE they know it won't happen. Like, Solid fucking the Raidussy and cumming inside, and Raiden freaks out but he says "dw for some reason I can't have babies ah ah I'm so weird" (forshadowing for mgs4), UNTIL MGS4, where Raiden gets under lots of surgeries, even after becoming a cyborg, to "become a little more human" after going to the extreme. One of the ways is by making a fake pussy of course, AND Raiden, being the uncle-obsessed freak he is, makes sure that his genitals are somehow compatible with Solid's so he can get pregnant!

"But it doesn't make sense-" RAIDEN IS FREAKY ENOUGH TO CHANGE HIS UNCLE'S BIOLOGY, CAN'T YOU *SEE* THAT!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!

And yeah, in mgs2, before they discovered they're technically related, they had TONS of sexual encounters and flirts. After the revelation they had a little pause; Solid felt terrible and Raiden was confused then he started caring so little about it then it became sexier to him ("oh.... hes my UNCLE" *kicks feet like a teenager in love*), then mgs4 happened (which is literally just a compilation of "Liquid" and Raiden getting in Solid's pants - also there's some gay Bosselot stuff in the background).

[bexisanidiot]

I just remembered in my mgs4 Mantis au that Mantis betrayed FOXHOUND by helping Snake through his mission. And Bee isn't even mad about it, she's happy he's alive

I had the idea that Mantis is dissociated as hell the entire time though, probably even planned to die even after helping Snake off of the island (let's be real, he wanted to die in the canon. He knew Snake was coming, and that he was gonna die) but him being in mgs4 means Snake dragged him off the island anyways somehow.

I thought it would be cool if, in this au, mgs1 ended with Snake offering to take Mantis with him like a cliffhanger so no one knows what happened until mgs4 came out. Like it's Snake asking smth like "Are you coming with me?" And it's just Mantis looking back at the Shadow Moses building and it just cuts to black

[bigusbossus]

After watching MGS4 cinematic cutscenes, I honestly believe that Bosselot is canon imo even though it was one-sided at first but I do think that BB notices Ocelot's love especially how loyal Ocelot is for him maybe after MGS3 or during MGSV. Just like BBKaz in PW for Date with Kaz

I can't imagine BBKaz or Bosselot being not canon in the Metal Gear Franchise. Same with Otasune. These couples r canon and adds depth to the franchise. The gay and queer subtext is just text imo. Kojima likes yaoi in his games.

i feel like there's just too much that you can't say it's not canon or atleast like something didn't happen... LIKE HELLO?? ocelot kissing snake in mgs4 when their names changed to naked snake and ocelot and that restoring both their stamina's??? ocelot was fr kissing bb and more to restore his stamina too behind the scenes. Also the scene where ocelot lights bb's cigar is such a trope in gay movies like.. we all know how kojima loves his movies.... he was fujoshing out on that one trust me. like the scene was to show how submissive and loyal ocelot was to bb, ocelot wouldn't have done that for anyone else, yet he had literally everything prepared before bb could even say anything , and why did they have to be so close huh 🤨 was that a Russian taunt too 🤨🤨🤨

also bbkaz literally fuck in a box there's no other way to see it they're queers!!! homos!!!! the British slang for cigarettes even!!!

i feel like for bosselot they would've gotten together around the portable ops era, like when bb started returning the feelings for realsies (he would've returned them sooner if he just realized ocelot and we a freak for him but he is dense😭)

[velvetjune]

Played some hours of MGS4 Guns of the Patriots. It’s so weird and funny. Spoilers:

Everything is happening all t he time. Ads, information, multiple screens and controls, different conversations all at once. I listened to a podcast episode about the game itself where the hosts outright said ‘I’m sure the player is on their second or third run of the game while listening to this.’ It’s 100% on purpose (the on the nose AI, tagged ID weapons, war economy, etc etc), but it’s a big change from 1-3.

Playing Rising before this added a lot more context than I would have expected. Unphazed by the moo-ing giant robots

Another MG game, another massive parallel to Shadow Moses

Drebin appearing out of nowhere to take up a long cutscene explaining the intricate backstory and mechanics behind a weapons shop. His pet monkey is downing multiple cokes in the background. I buy multiple playboy magazines and nothing else.

Old Snake laying down for a full minute so he can listen to pop music to heal both psychologically and somehow physically (same).

If you call Otacon in the trash, there’s a magical codec conversation where Snake talks about being smelly and covered in bugs.

MkII has the cutest animations and is perfect.

Enemy designs, particularly the one with marionette puppets, are 10000/10. Girls night out! And Vamp looking good!

Snake and Otacon are married. I missed these guys so much after playing games centered around Big Boss. Also they should NOT be raising a kid. She’s doing Otacon’s job half the time, while living off of instant noodles, burnt eggs, and handheld video games to keep her entertained.

Campbell faintly in the background while I’m watching Sunny on the baby cam and reading about Drebin’s shop: this is REALLY important information about the story snake you NEED to pay attention

Johnny “akiba” IBS diversity win. Shitting his pants constantly (I’m so sorry for your team, Meryl). When I died as Snake, he got a flashback of seeing Johnny’s ass out after being caught by enemies—I’m sorry to that Snake that had that be his last moments.

I’m in love with Meryl’s design and her bullet earring. Such a step up from her character in 1 that still retains that same character and her efforts to be a soldier.

I’m bad at this game on normal mode and died many times. It glitched a lot in the frog unit fighting and Snake got stuck in a neverending loop of being kicked down by a frog soldier before being able to get back up <\3

Mei Ling getting a high ranked and powerful position = fantastic! Otacon saying she got it from sleeping around with older men and Snake saying he has a chance = terrible!

big naturals snake

the snake crawl on the ground focusing on his ass?

Naomi CRYING at seeing Old Snake’s body???? Be nice to him

The B&B unit is there to be a sexy villain, literal model under their beast appearances, but I do like the concept of them transforming into beasts from war, and how Snake himself is a beast. Will Snake shed his skin and get a sexy reveal like the B&B unit? I can only hope (this is a moot point because Old Snake is already hot and sexualized)

Blue roses fit in with the beauty and the beast thing going on and Snake’s artificial and ‘determined’ fate, but my mind always goes to Twin Peaks.

Knowing Raiden will appear somewhere with a new cyborg body is now the least strange aspect about metalgear solid 4. He’s still an absent father like in Rising! How the hell does Rose get with Campbell in this game, then back to Raiden in Rising….. Worst couple award

^He called Snake soon after and he is NOT deepthroat. Terrible at being undercover, both Snake and I immediately recognized him

I became emotionally attached to the random group of prisoners that led me to the mansion and gave little hearts when I bumped into them. Spent too long defending them before realizing I just need to go ahead and find Naomi.

Snake’s psyche rapidly going down when told he had 3 months left, then rapidly going up when I hit the secret command that let him stare at Naomi’s chest

Almost fell for Laughing Octopus being MkII/Otacon

The gameplay is closer to Snake Eater’s, but with the addition of a shop and locked weapons, and, like that game, I struggled more with switching weapons and learning the controls. It’ll probably be easier as I keep playing, but it’s taking longer to adjust and I already know I’m going to ignore 99% of the weapons. It’s also considerably less smooth than the master collections games and V, so I often miss my shot or the animation lags. Unsurprisingly, I prefer V’s that improved on pretty much everything, but I also like the simplicity and controls of the second game. Every game in between those dealt with having so many tutorials, healing/weapons to keep track of, somewhat clunky controls and cameras, etc. combined that made them feel more dated and less fun than the earlier ones.

Going to contradict myself, but Snake’s psyche bar and the various ways to keep his stress levels down is unbelievably clever and unique. So much dark sad humor when it shows up in any cutscene with Snake’s issues comically piling up. It’s not the only game to do this (Disco Elylsium is one of my favorites!), but i love its integration into the story and strange options for dealing with it. The animation of him rubbing his back if you crouch for too long or his psyche going up with back compression—it’s a stark contrast from the first game and it’s effective!

This game is ugly to look at (very desaturated). I’m also very biased towards the intense blue-green of the first two games and the style of the MG ones! However, the live action ads and blend of tech with humans/environments is very cool.

I want to see more Liquid Ocelot.

[bidonica]

🔥 mgs

ngl my haterism died out quite a bit after a bath and dinner and I'm a bit sleepy now so I'll pick a relatively harmless opinion: as much as I love Jupiter family fanworks and I eat them up every time, I think the depiction of Snavid as doting father from the get go is heavily fanonized, because if we look at how he acts around her in mgs4 he is a lot more awkward and distant compared to the rapport she has with Hal (the one who "officially" adopts her), even if I think it's objective that he and Sunny care about each other; but he isn't effusive, open, affectionate about it. One could argue that he is awkward and distant with everyone because of his condition, but I think he is intentionally written as out of his depth as a family man -- and I think it's telling that his arc ends with him embracing being a family with Sunny and Hal (and then die). He had to get there first.

(in general, mgs fandom tends to espouse widely agreed upon fanon -- one could say because few metal gear solid fans have actually played the metal gear solid games -- and wilfully ignore a lot of the more problematic stuff that happens in the games. I wanted to elaborate more on this but as I said I'm too sleepy atp lol)

[faksyan]

ocelot?

Ask game

When I saw that you asked about Ocelot. barking biting this guy occupies such a big portion of my thoughts.

First impression

If we're talking VERY first the gay guy Venom splashes in the rain with. kinda awesome that he does that. (I saw the model swap of the Quiet cutscene with no context and then thought it's the original for years).

If it's about the proper introduction to the series I started with mgs3 and lost my shit at the meow. I do that now too. Together with the hand gesture and the 'I've been waiting for this' he does at the waterfall. He's a dipshit for how he treated Eva even if it was for show. I didn't see him being a triple agent coming and thought that was cool.

Impression now

I have. so many thoughts about Revolver Adam Adamska (not a real name) Shalashaska Ocelot. fuck this guy. I hate him. he makes me so sad I want to cry. want to punch him in the face. make him a nice cup of tea and let him sleep. feed him to the bears.

He was raised to be a weapon, and yet he is a creature of emotion and love that exists hand in hand with violence. He was never meant to be a person but all that he cares about are people's real names and his comrades (that aren't actually that, he's a triple agent) that Volgin kills, and animal and plants facts. He loves westerns and made them his whole personality for decades and decades. He talked to guy once and then almost burned the world down for him. A lot of times.

I find it so interesting that in v he says he plays up the idea of himself being a sadist and enjoying torture to some extent. I think the Huey interrogations show a lot of how he actually likes doing his work, which has an accent on efficiency and not blood and guts. It's simultaneously cruel and merciful, and it saves time and lives that he can use for something else. I could go on and on about this guy honestly, there are so many fascinating things about him.

Favorite moment

What isn't honestly. The meow. The revolver spin. He tried to poke Snake in his missing fucking eye?? The way he dresses in mgs1&2. also

"It doesn’t feel right to shoot an unarmed man…but I’ll get over it." Slay.

Idea for a story

Let's see I have so many of those. The idea of Ocelot inheriting some of Sorrow's powers is really fun, I was thinking about writing about him using it for a mission with Kaz where they have to dig a dead guy up and interrogate him to get some info.

Unpopular opinion

His feelings towards bb have never been reciprocated, he has never tried to act on them, and is fine with that. him in v is the closest we ever get to seeing him being his genuine self. There is not enough information about how his hypnosis works but that's an interpretation of it that I really like. Also people seem to be really hung up on the fact that he is ""canonically"" gay when he isn't canonically anything. so I guess my unpopular opinion is not necessarily viewing him as specifically gay idk.

Favorite relationship

sigh. ocelhira. horrible terrible predictable I know. I have a big ass wall of text about them in my notes I need to finish. even the ship stuff aside, the things they were hypothetically up to during the nine year coma must have been insane. and after that? What about FOXHOUND? Or Kaz's death? So much could've happened during all of it aghhh. Even during events of v, we get so little of them together in it. Also Ocelot is a loser and has no other friends lol look at that guy. Him and Eva before mgs4 are such a cool duo though, a shame we didn't get to see any of their dynamic in that time period, or during the Patriots.

Favorite headcanon

He's on aroace spectrum. also stupidly in love with kaz miller and the reasoning for why and what and how is entirely in my head and hopefully in text at some point, it makes sense I promise. I just like when characters are in love even though I am so bad at understanding what that entails but so is he so that's fine. Their dynamic is really interesting to me.